Contest 03/2023: ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE

    People just have different preferences. There's no way to get a result in such a vote that everyone will agree on. If this were the case there would be no point in having a vote to begin with. And after all, this whole contest is just for fun. The winner doesn't get anything from it. I don't see why anyone should cheat here. And even if some people would do so, does it really matter that much?


    And concerning the quality of the entries... You really need a lot of experience to get creative pictures without editing anything with additional software. It's not that easy to move several objects consistently, for example, to position a character off-centre. If we applied strict standards, maybe three or four entries would qualify at all. That would quickly end the contest completely.

    Quote from DavidSchwarz

    And concerning the quality of the entries... You really need a lot of experience to get creative pictures without editing anything with additional software. It's not that easy to move several objects consistently, for example, to position a character off-centre. If we applied strict standards, maybe three or four entries would qualify at all. That would quickly end the contest completely.

    So, wait, are you saying some of these entries have been edited? Isn't that explicitly against contest rules?

    Quote from Art Vandelay

    So, wait, are you saying some of these entries have been edited?

    I have no way of knowing that. As the most pictures are quite simplistic, I don't think so. But I didn't make any assumptions of that kind. I explicitly wrote that without editing the pictures (as the contest rules require it and as the pictures are obviously made) it's hard to get more creative pictures. Maybe some people are even careful about the tools within SP-Studio because they aren't sure what counts as editing.

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    Quote from DavidSchwarz

    And after all, this whole contest is just for fun. The winner doesn't get anything from it.

    That's why I shy away from returning to registered votes. It will lead to less people voting... and I feel like if there is a vote it's better to give many people the chance to participate.


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    I don't see why anyone should cheat here. And even if some people would do so, does it really matter that much?

    Like with a board game I believe rules are important for the contests to have fun to begin with. While the contests are "just for fun" I know some people try to cheat in the vote when they take this too seriously. We had to deal with this in the past, and it was annoying. Because even though we do this for fun we want everybody to play fair. So for me it is always the challenge to give everybody enough freedom so we can have fun, get many pictures and many votes... but on the other hand there need to be rules to avoid completely unfair results.


    Regarding cheating with the pictures by editing: I know my drawings and we have some people here who have a very good eye on what's possible with moving and rotating items. Together we usually notice cheaters early.

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    Like with a board game I believe rules are important for the contests to have fun to begin with.

    But we have these rules and as you wrote you're watching them being observed. I'm addressing the constant complaints that the wrong people keep winning, suspicions that others would cheat and demands after more regulations. I just don't think, that would help.

    Quote from DavidSchwarz

    But we have these rules and as you wrote you're watching them being observed. I'm addressing the constant complaints that the wrong people keep winning,


    Janina herself brought up one of the entries possibly not being deserving of the number of votes it got, so I responded. And it isn't so much that the "wrong" people are winning, it's that those same people are winning by unusually large margins. Maybe it really is as simple as people voting for entries they recognise. But I can't explain why those same entries are worth twenty more votes than some of the other, arguably better, entries.


    Whatever, I've said my peace on it. But I'll just add, it's not impossible to make creative entries without editing. It just requires some creativity...

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    But I'll just add, it's not impossible to make creative entries without editing.

    Well, edited pictures would be sorted out as they are against the rules. So every picture in the contest should be unedited. And some of them are quite creatively using the posibilities of SP-Studios, just not that many.


    I could imagine that untrained users don't understand how some of the more creative solutions got made and suspect them to be edited. Probably they rate those entries higher that they can reproduce.

    Quote from DavidSchwarz

    Well, edited pictures would be sorted out as they are against the rules. So every picture in the contest should be unedited. And some of them are quite creatively using the posibilities of SP-Studios, just not that many.


    I could imagine that untrained users don't understand how some of the more creative solutions got made and suspect them to be edited. Probably they rate those entries higher that they can reproduce.

    I won't say I will pick out every editited picture. But I can often spot them :)

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