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So what do they need them for?

Okay, I laughed way too hard at that.

Unfortunately there are SO many guns out there that those families cannot make up for the idiots who DO hurt others.

It is not made up that those guns are a huge problem and many people die because of them. In the United States in 2009 there were 3.0 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants. United Kingdom: 0.07 Germany: 0.2
If this has nothing to do with the fact, that it is WAY easier to get a gun in the U.S. and that more people own them... how do you explain it then?

And just to make something clear: Of course it will be impossible to get rid of all those guns and the old fashioned traditions right now... people need to want it themselves, otherwise it will end in big chaos if the state tries to collect the weapons.
But if they manage to do this in the future they will see it can work. Not every crime will be avoided, but the threshold to use a gun is way higher if they are treated as what they are: really dangerous and no regular household article.

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So what do they need them for?

hunting, sport and alot of people collect them

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Stoning women to death for adultery is part of some countries' culture. Should we just leave it that way? Or should we accept that "it's part of our culture" in and of itself is not a justification for anything, ever?

Stoning women to death is different than guns

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Stupid analogy. The uses and effects are utterly different

thats not the point, when alchool was illegelized in the 20's, did everyone magically stop using it?

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Obviously, if the U.S. made private ownership of guns illegal, some people would still get hold of them and some people would still murder people with them. Note that that is SOME people, as in a few. Not the thousands per year they currently have. People make a similar argument about knives, and how knife crime would surely increase if guns were harder to get hold of, but again: pretty hard to kill a cinema full of people with a handful of knives.

some? most people would get them. they would be about as hard to get as herion or crack. how hard is it to get shit on the black market. and it is hard to kill a cinema with knives, which is why he would have uses bombs or flamethrowers. (complety legal) if someone wants to shoot up a theater, they wont be discouraged by some words on paper.

But how can you explain it works in other countries with strict laws against guns? Less people are killed there.

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So what do they need them for?

defense, and alot of people make their living off of hunting. i don't know how hard it is to find a job where you live, but it's not easy finding one here

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Of course it is. That's not important here though, I'm talking about the "it's right to do it because it's part of our culture" mentality. Just because something is part of your culture does not make it right.

your acting like im advocating mass murder. all im saying is that its not right to take something away that has been a part of our culture for so long because of a few assholes.

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All you're doing is restating your arguments without addressing any of mine. Get wasted has been a part of human existence since before recorded history. It's ingrained in us as a species. We simply do not need to own deadly weapons on any kind of base level, and it has been proved time and time again that the easier it is to get said weapons, the more they are used to kill innocent people.

murder has been a part of human existence way before drugs, and its not exactly easy to get guns in america.

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By that logic, most people are buying heroin or crack.

If buying guns had the same sort of social stigma as buying drugs, then most people wouldn't bother. More than that: I can't speak for any other countries, but I can testify that here in the UK, buying almost any drug besides heroin or crack is - whilst still illegal - not really considered all that big a deal. Buying a gun, however, will make an awful lot of people immediately think you are a violent criminal. (Or a farmer. Neither is considered cool.

no, by that logic most people who WANT heroin or crack would buy heroin or crack. and buy a gun in america, and noone gives a fuck. buying any drugs (aside pot, of course) and the neighborhood puts your head on a fuckin plate. That must by why drug use in america is so low, right? When people buy crack, do they run down the street screaming, "HEY, GUESS WHAT I JUST BOUGHT!!!???" No, they dont, they keep it to themselves. Why would it be different with guns? Also, if someone wants to shoot up a building, do you thing people going, "tsk-tsk, that nutjob owns guns" will stop them?

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So how come this sort of thing happens every couple of years or so on average in the States, but very rarely anywhere else in the Western world? Every country has dangerous nutcases. You sure everything's alright over there?

ok, if it happens so much, name 5 massacares where they bought their guns from a gun store (not the black market.)

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But how can you explain it works in other countries with strict laws against guns? Less people are killed there

Im not advocating "FREE MINIGUNS AND MISSLES FROM TOYS 'R US NO BACKGROUND CHECKS!!!", and i agree we need background checks for guns and forbid people with mental problems to buy one. Also, crime is down in america.

also, theres this.

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Remember that point I made about how people who need a gun for their job could get a permit for it?

but hunting is still a hobby, and not their job. oftentimes, people who have a job have to hunt to make extra money.

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Virtually no one buys crack or heroin because they want it. They buy it because they NEED it. You're still not getting the difference, are you?

people arent born addicted to crack, so they buy it the first few times because they WANT it

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I know. That's part of my point. Those attitudes need reassessing.

you dident read what i had after that, did you?

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Dude, the reason you even have a black market for guns is because you've got guns shops everywhere. Think about it. If those shops weren't there, would the black market be even a fraction of the size it is now? Try buying a gun on the black market in England. I guarantee you it is a hundred times harder than in the States.

no, the black market gets it from other countries

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For fuck's sake. Three members of Pussy Riot got two years in jail each for basically hurting some people's feelings.

Judge Marina Syrova convicted the women of hooliganism motivated by religious hatred, saying they had "crudely undermined social order".

That's absolutely hilarious yet also really depressing. Jesus.

Good luck! Let's hope your friends and family will be fine as well.