Kylo Ren (Ep. VII)

Kylo Ren (Ep. VII)


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Comment by ADePALMA1251 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:51 am

Very cool. Would love to hear your thoughts on the film.
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Comment by Caribou » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:42 am

I wrote a thing but it was too long for one comment, so here it is over several:

I really liked it, far more than I was expecting to. I know JJ Abrams gets a lot of flack as a director for copying other people's styles rather than creating his own, but in this case that was exactly what was needed - stripping everything back to the basic level of the first film so Rian Johnson can go work his magic on the next episode. I'm suddenly really looking forward to the new one.

The cast was excellent (especially Daisy Ridley, and Harrison Ford showing that he is capable of doing a decent job of breathing life into an old character *cough*IndianaJones*cough*), the dialogue was funny but with enough clunky lines to keep it in the grand Star Wars tradition, the sets were absolutely stunning, BB-8 is adorable, and I thought Kylo Ren has the makings of a really great villain. It takes the idea of Darth Vader as a bratty kid that the prequels saddled us with and then really runs with the idea, and the fact that he's basically a stroppy teenager with unbelievable power that he can only barely control makes him a really unique character and a pleasingly different threat from the confident, self-assured bad guys we've had so far. And I take back everything I said before about his lightsabre looking stupid - it really suits his personality, all spitting and hissing.
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Comment by Caribou » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:44 am

As for THAT scene (don't click if you've been in an undersea prison for the last month):
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I saw it coming, but still felt like I'd been punched in the gut when it happened. Return of the Jedi was the first film I ever saw in a cinema, aged four. I grew up with that guy; it still brings a lump to my throat occasionally when I think about it. Of course, it's crucial for the story to go forward, and Ford was never going to keep on playing the role forever, but still... damn. Also, see this for all the feels.
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Comment by Caribou » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:44 am

It wasn't without its flaws of course - I personally contend that it's one of the film's strengths that it just does "basic Star Wars", which I much prefer to all the extraneous bullshit that the franchise has accrued over the years, but I can see how some people see it as a missed opportunity to do something new. I could have done without the few bits of gratuitous CGI, (the rubbish tentacled ball-monsters could have been removed from the film altogether and I'd have been perfectly happy), especially when it comes to using it for Maz and Snoke - two important characters who suffer badly from it being really obvious that they're computer generated. A complex puppet like the original Yoda would have worked much better for Maz, and Snoke could probably have been done with prosthetics; as it is both characters really jolt you out of the atmosphere because of the excellent sets and the real, tangible creatures they're surrounded by. Also, the very last shot of the film is just awful; they could have just cut from Luke's haggard face straight to the credits, but for some reason they decided to take us on a little helicopter ride up into the sky first. Baffling.

But on the whole, enormously good fun and a very promising start to the trilogy. I've only seen it once so I don't want to make a call yet on whether I think it's better than Jedi or not, but it's in the same ballpark, and definitely leagues better than any of the prequels. Nowhere near as good as Star Wars or Empire, of course, but that was always going to be asking way too much. However, Rian Johnson's one hell of a writer/director so I genuinely think there's at least a possibility that Episode VIII could approach that sort of quality. Fingers crossed, eh?
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Comment by ADePALMA1251 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:52 pm

Right on! I loved the movie, and I to can't wait to see where Episode VIII takes us. It's also really nice to hear someone else share the same sentiment I've had since when I first saw it, which is I was more than satisfied with J.J and the whole crew reinforcing what was great about Star Wars, rather than trying to expand Star Wars, and potentially screwing things up (a-la the prequels). It's crazy to think that so many of the same people who excitingly claimed "George Lucas raped my childhood," are now going "Well, at least Lucas was a visionary who tried something new." Anyway, you definitely should go back and see it again. I've seen it three times now and honestly after every time I've walked out enjoying it more and excited for whatever's next. I don't know if you are familiar with Chris Stuckman (I'm not a big fan, I just know him from Screen Junkies Movie Fights), but he did a really well thought out analysis on the film that addresses many of the film's legitimate and bogus criticisms. I very much enjoyed it, though his brand of comedy isn't something I could get on board with, but nevertheless it's definitely something to check out.

The Force Awakens and Star Wars Formula - Analyzed Movie Review

P.S I've been busting my ass trying to put together an old man Han Solo and a Rey pictures after seeing your Kylo Ren and Finn, but I can't seem to get either right. Hope you're able to put something together, and if you are, I can't wait to see what you've got.
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Comment by Caribou » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:37 pm

ADePALMA1251 wrote:
It's crazy to think that so many of the same people who excitingly claimed "George Lucas raped my childhood," are now going "Well, at least Lucas was a visionary who tried something new."

Fanboys, eh? It's almost as if trying to convince strangers that they could have done a better job than the professionals is more important to them than even bothering to learn why the professionals do things the way they do. ;)

ADePALMA1251 wrote:
Anyway, you definitely should go back and see it again.

Oh, I'll definitely be seeing it again. It's pretty rare I see anything in theatres more than once these days, and I usually try and see things in 2D wherever possible, but I was sufficiently impressed with this that I think I'll probably even splash out for IMAX on this one.

ADePALMA1251 wrote:
I don't know if you are familiar with Chris Stuckman (I'm not a big fan, I just know him from Screen Junkies Movie Fights), but he did a really well thought out analysis on the film that addresses many of the film's legitimate and bogus criticisms. I very much enjoyed it, though his brand of comedy isn't something I could get on board with, but nevertheless it's definitely something to check out.

YES! This guy gets it. I'd never heard of him before, but I found myself nodding in agreement to pretty much everything he said in that video. I've checked out a few of his other reviews too and he definitely knows his shit. Like you said, he's not especially funny (and he's clearly indebted to RedLetterMedia - if by some miracle you haven't seen their prequel trilogy reviews, stop what you're doing and watch them immediately) but well worth listening to all the same.

ADePALMA1251 wrote:
P.S I've been busting my ass trying to put together an old man Han Solo and a Rey pictures after seeing your Kylo Ren and Finn, but I can't seem to get either right. Hope you're able to put something together, and if you are, I can't wait to see what you've got.

I expect I'll do more as and when I find the time... I half-heartedly had a stab at Rey immediately after doing the other two, and was like, "Some other time maybe, this looks hard" after only a couple of minutes. So I made a dumb picture of a unicorn instead and called it a day. :lol:
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